Lightweight brake upgrade options

[bronco100]

Looking for a brake upgrade to my base Ecoboost brakes, for use on track in time attack. The obvious route is to put the GT brakes on, as they are bolt-on. However, I'd be curious to know what the weight increase of that would be. And if there are any alternative options that would be more lightweight.

Anyone have experience with this set? https://www.steeda.com/baer-ss4-deep-stage-drag-race-s550-mustang-4261428FR

 

[blacksheep-1]

IMO anything on a road course that does not say "Brembo" is a no no.
However if you insist Cobalt, EBC and others are on the TMO supporters list. Tim at OP mustang may also carry calipers as well. @OPMustang Tim

 

[mwjscn]

A drag racing brake system would not be up to the duty cycle a serious time attack car would be requesting from it. Your best bet would be moving to a system that uses 2-piece rotors with an aluminum center hat if you wanted to reduce unsprung weight without sacrificing capability. You could also seek unsprung weight reduction using lighter wheels.

 

[bronco100]

IMO anything on a road course that does not say "Brembo" is a no no.

I'd love to run Brembo's but it seems like they only make 6-pistons for Mustangs? I don't want to run a 19" wheel though.

 

[mwjscn]

I don't want to run a 19" wheel though.

Apex wheels, as well as some other aftermarket wheels, allow the use of the PP 6-piston Brembo brake in an 18" diameter.

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(at the very bottom or ctrl+f "brembo")
You may also save a good chunk of weight depending on which wheel you get.

 

[blacksheep-1]

I'd love to run Brembo's but it seems like they only make 6-pistons for Mustangs? I don't want to run a 19" wheel though.

I did a ninja edit there, sorry for the confusion. I'm just not sold on Wildwood or Baer for road course applications. Most of the road race HPDE guys on here are running 18 inch wheels because the race take off tires are so plentiful, especially the old IMSA stuff. So you should be able to find a decent 18inch brake setup. Our Gt4 car runs 18inch wheels and I think the new version will as well, so they are out there.

 

[blacksheep-1]

Apex wheels, as well as some other aftermarket wheels, allow the use of the PP 6-piston Brembo brake in an 18" diameter.

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(at the very bottom or ctrl+f "brembo")
You may also save a good chunk of weight depending on which wheel you get.

thank you, the "flow form" is a pretty decent deal for what you get, it isn't as robust as a race wheel (even though some guys are using them) but for 90% of us, they work great.

 

[bronco100]

thank you, the "flow form" is a pretty decent deal for what you get, it isn't as robust as a race wheel (even though some guys are using them) but for 90% of us, they work great.

I'll get one of their forged sets eventually. Would have got a flow form set from them but they were out of stock for what I wanted.

So you should be able to find a decent 18inch brake setup

Yes, that's why I'm here haha. Tell me where these decent 18" brake setups are at!

 

[blacksheep-1]

Have you experimented with braided hydraulic lines good brake fluid and aggressive pads yet?

 

[blacksheep-1]

Anything you go to that would work, would also mean you'd have to change out wheels. It's hit and miss, what about the Ford Performance Pack brakes?

 

[Mistaricky]

My plans are AP racing front brakes and keeping the performance pack single piston rears with 2 piece rotors. This setup will fit under the majority of 18" wheels and it reduces almost 40 pounds total over the performance pack setup. I'm not sure how that would translate to a base ecoboost brake setup as far as weight goes.

 

[blacksheep-1]

My plans are AP racing front brakes and keeping the performance pack single piston rears with 2 piece rotors. This setup will fit under the majority of 18" wheels and it reduces almost 40 pounds total over the performance pack setup. I'm not sure how that would translate to a base ecoboost brake setup as far as weight goes.

One of the issues with the PP brakes is that they won't fit under most 18 in wheels. I forgot about AP. The Alcon is another,but I'm a Brembo guy.

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But you still have this..



And this..

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[mavisky]

I know that a lot of the S197 guys are mounting S550 GT Performance Pack calipers on their cars, should be possible to utilize the S197 4 piston Brembo's on an S550 probably and that would also allow you to run 18's.

While the GT350 6 piston Brembo's won't clear an 18" wheel, the regular performance pack 6 Piston Brembo's will clear certain 18" wheels. They will obviously weigh more than the stock little ecoboost brakes, but the tradeoff in braking is probably a necessary evil. Here's a list of wheels that will clear the PP 6 pistons.

MRR FS01
HRE FF15
TE37
Apex EC-7
Forgestar CF5

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

If you want to blow some cash, the Brembo Pro Kits will be both larger and lighter than OEM fitments. The 380mm setup with an XB105 caliper will fit inside an APEX 18" wheel with plenty of room to spare. The 14" setup may fit some 17" wheels (not sure--haven't done the homework). Your wallet will also be significantly lighter, but you won't ever have to worry about your brake performance.

 

[KazarS197]

Like mavisky said the 4 piston 14" brembos might be an option . They are heavier than the OEM calipers and rotors. It's going to be a give and take. Guys have run the 4s on GTs on the track with some good luck with the right pads, cooling, fluid upgrade and lines. You have less weight and only really need them for a hot lap or 2 with time attack so might work . When I did my car I was going to go that route but didn't want to do the work twice, sell the 4 s and future upgrade in the future so went straight to the 6 piston. There's good and bad with 6 pistons. The good - they work great period. The bad is cost - pads, wheels, tires and maybe spacers. The 4 piston consumables will be much cheaper than the 6. There's an entire thread here on the 6 piston upgrade if you decide that option.

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[JAJ]

...but I'm a Brembo guy.

Well, Brembo owns AP, so AP brakes are "almost-Brembo" brakes. It's a win-win for us Brembo fans!

 

[bnight]

Well, Brembo owns AP, so AP brakes are "almost-Brembo" brakes. It's a win-win for us Brembo fans!

Though the AP setup for Mustang is strictly track use only as the callipers lack any street features like rattling clips etc.